Why Bad Things Happen To Good People ! June 25, 2007
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Where does the issue of child molestation lie? If a child is harmed, did the child attract such malice? And if the child is now an adult, how can they erase or change the imprint to create a “beautiful” vision from an empty spot?
Bob’s explanation of how the Law of Attraction works – at a cultural and societal level – resonates deeply with my own understanding and experience at creating change. Having previously worked with family systems and business systems dynamics and having seen the invisible power of context on individual’s behaviors (almost always unknown to the individuals without an outside perspective), I am convinced of the power of these invisible and unconscious patterns / attractors. Each of us is literally shaped by the environment into which we were born – both biologically and physically. Coming to terms with those originating patterns – not with blame and victimization but with awareness and acceptance – allows us to more consciously choose our steps, learn from our choices, and move with intention towards the life we want from the life we’ve had.
As for erasing or changing the originating imprint (the subject of the prior post), I don’t think this is the point. I think our original imprint is important to acknowledge – as point of fact, informing our present, not as defining our future. We each begin where we begin which leads us to this moment. Only in this moment are our choices resident that can influence our future. And a full acceptance of our past provides a solid foundation to use that past as a resource.
The hard work is constantly noticing and accepting the unconscious, invisible patterns as they arise, integrating them into my story of who I have been up until now, and using that awareness to inform my next steps.
To be honest, I am not able to view Bob Doyle’s video, but I think I understand the question, “Why do bad things happen to good people?”
The Secret doesn’t address that we are spiritual beings who incarnate many times. We come here with things we have agreed to learn. “Good” and “bad” are terms that we use on the surface where we don’t remember why we’re here on Earth School. There are things my spirit would not have learned without my life experiences, some of which people call “bad”. I don’t condone abuse and other crimes, but I know that reality is deeper than our surface understandings.
sal
Yes, I absolutely agree with what Bob Doyle is saying. Most of what we attract is done subconsciously. No one likes to hear that we all create the bad experiences, but it’s the truth. Attracting bad things will not change until our positive thoughts are more prevalent and ingrained than our negative ones.
After a lifetime of working with the law of attraction I began to realise that this law pertains to the way the universe functions irrespective of man’s world view, it doesn’t work very well when applied by the ego mind to fulfil societal wishes like more money, more sex, more cars and more real estate, well it does for a little while but not permanently. This is spiritual materialism
To truly invoke it we need to be one with the universe and it’s deeper laws, in working deeply within, going down the rabbit hole further and further( until I thought there was no further, but there always is) I began to see and know that I created and must take total responsibility, yes it’s my past faulty thinking, that the way I consciously chose, decided and lived before in “reaction” to the world views that probably, no definitely disagreed with my deeper spiritual knowing, because I thought I had to to survive, created everything today..whether I like it or not. It’s my doing totally!!! When I asked each time, why did I create this? how did I create this? when did I create that? always came the understanding of a universal law I defied and broke. I believed that I died, when I don’t!! I believed I was separate from the ONE, when I am not, I believed in fate, being controlled, when I am in control, I believed in lack, when plenty is the truth, I believed in a hostile world when it is friendly and supports me, I believed I didn’t already know, when I do, always did. I know my answers better than anyone else.
There are deeper reasons why everyone creates what they create, once you see your own “reasons” without judgement you begin to be able to see others deeper reasons without judgement, why? what’s the point? To learn, it again deepens your understanding of the nature of the universe and how it all functions and that it is possible to know why everything happens the way it does, in fact you can’t create consciously until you do know why things happen the way they did, do and will for you, how we create everything, it’s mind-blowing, I can look at a person’s so called tragedy and see exactly where before, why and what happened that created it, for example I saw a badly beaten up child of four who died here in our home town and his death changed child protection laws, he chose this life and his death to create changes in laws when a medeival life of his involved the slave labour of young children, their use and abuse, it’s not karmic retribution, it’s just each of us tidying up and fixing up and remodelling our inner resonance ( energy) which if you go deeper and deeper beyond just wanting the fux and bux you’ll come across it, it’s not a secret, it’s all there for everyone to see, dont’ say you can’t know just because you haven’t gone there!! so it’s not blame or fault it’s just wrong perception and misunderstanding from before
There is for example a really easy to understand reason why everyone who died in 911 was there, obviously it would be too “controversial” for me to say it here and I won’t, but if you saw it as I did you would go…. a ha, oh, ok, now I see why that happened to them. Until you understand the deeper universal truths, such as the law of non interference etc etc, if I revealed what i know from having gone to the deeper place where that information is available I would be breaking that law of non-interference because I would be revealing something I found in that deeper place that others haven’t gone to yet, and it’s a bit hard to process it in the ego mind. But here’s a clue, where do all the people go who in past lives got involved in mass murders and didn’t question what they were doing as they rampaged, pillaged or stole people lives from then guided only by the orders of dictators and tyrannts, do we really think you don’t have to experience the “result” of what you did before just because you followed orders, we do, we come back and have to re-live the effects of choices we made before, how else can we learn!!!
Another fact is that the ego use of mind control to force the creation of a phenomena, but it will only be temporary, until that ego mind gets distracted and can’t hold the resonance. Right use of will creates a new reality from the depth of profound understanding that irrevocably alters internally functional resonance permanently and naturally in a way that you cannot be distracted from.
It’s all understanding really, once you know why you created it before you can let it go, the resistance dissolves and you are a new you with a new vibration that naturally beams out into the universe and calls in what you choose without hesitation.
Our reality on a day to day basis is subject to what I like to call “The Collective.” Its the thing that causes the random number generators mentioned in “What the Bleep” to go one way or the other.
Everything we’re taught, either through our parents and family, our school, and our religious upbringing brings us into this Collective and directs us to see things the way we do.
The key to the Law of Attraction and Quantum Consciousness is to learn how to align one’s self with the Universe and pull away from the Collective thinking so we can “see” our own Universe. By doing so, we can create it to be anything we want.
And Bob is entirely right when he says no one is at fault. We all make up the Collective and by our thoughts and expectations we sway it one way or the other.
But the new paradigm is all about swaying the Collective in a more positive and intuitive direction. That’s where we, as individual observers can bring change over time.
For now though, it starts with us!
If you want to read more about Quantum Consciousness and this new paradigm, you can visit:
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The best explanation I have heard on this subject ever. Well done Bob.
Although I understand Bob’s explanation and can even agree with the issue that the Law of Atraction is not a conscious thing that we can just manage as we desire, it is too difficult for me to relate this to natural disasters that have happened in the world and have killed thousands of people, or the 9/11 attack or the AMIA in my country (Argentina) many of those people that were involved in those situations had nothing to do with each other , came from totally different backgrounds and cultures, I just can’t understand why it was them and not others.
Just can’t relate to this.
There a million of books that talk about why bad things happen to good people, one time one former student asked a rabbai why his brother was deaf and he wasn’t and the rabbai said, when all the Jews start believing again and are not assimilated anymore God will return and evertything will be good!! I think that each religion , each cultural group or whatever , has to find an explanation to these questions because it is too dificult to live without these answers, if this explanation is good enough for some, good for you, but I am sorry it is not for me.
I love the explanation that Bob gives that “it just is”. It is true that we always wonder “why me” when bad things happen, but why don’t we think the same when good things happen? We also tend to know the “theory” behind the Law of Attraction, but to implement it is another story.
All the best,
Madi
I listened to Bob Doyle’s explanation on the video clip, regarding why bad things happen to good people, why children die, etc. I wasn’t really satisfied with his knee-jerk response because it appeared he was trying to play it safe. We aren’t here on this plane by coincidence, nor are we here to sleepwalk our way through this life without having some life-changing experiences.
We have many experiences throughout our lives on earth, whether we live a short or a long life. Experiences are needed by our “OverSelf”. Whether it be wealth and happiness, poverty and disease, Religious beliefs and racial backgrounds, birth and death and everything else in between. This is a complex subject and one must be prepared to shed old belief systems, preconceived notions and all the baggage and trappings of a brainwashed
existence in a third dimension.
When we stop looking to an “external” force to do everything for us, and will realize that we already have everything we need to do it ourselves, we will have taken a giant step in the right direction. Let’s stop giving away
our power to some external “deity” and just look within, and find the answers we seek. Sadly, most people are so physical body IDed, that they totally ignore anything beyond their five physical senses. Unfortunately,
most of what we do, tends to be a fear based reaction, rather than a clear comprehension of who we are and why we’re here.
This is a subject without end and likewise, needs individuals who understand that we are not all created equal. Therefore, each one of us progresses at his/her own pace, according to their Higher Self’s plan.
Intolerance is a body ID viewpoint. So conformity is key in deflecting intolerance.Conformity is stagnation. Conformity serves to rob one of individuality, and serves as a control mechanism, i.e., we must act the same, think the same, obey or be relegated to eternal damnation, and
beLIEve the same dogma about the same “God”, etc., etc.
When you start tapping into the spiritual frontiers beyond this physical dimension, only then will you discover all that you are and more. In the end, when we leave this earth plane, we are the sum total of all of our experiences.
Eileen
Bad things happen to good people because they have been bad to those who are being bad to them now in past lives, read the docter Brian Weiss books then try it for yourself.
I TOTALLY GET IT BOB – thanks for your concise explanation, I knew it, but that made it so much clearer in my mind, again thanks.
From the perspective that Bob is talking on this subject, he’s spot on, but I don’t think he goes far enough. His context isn’t large enough to include the role of the “Self,” the Infinite Being that we really are and how we orchestrate everything we experience from this State of Being.
Whether you want to use the Quantum Physics model or the more traditional spiritual teachings, this “world” is a projection of Consciousness, a “total immersion movie” or the “holodeck” of Star Trek. Nothing really happens here anymore than anything is really “happening” on the movie screen. It just appears to being happening, to be “real.” And at the level of experiencing this fully and completely, we must forget (and then forget that we’ve forgotten) that we are Infinite Beings making this all up and then playing in it as if it’s Reality.
It’s not Reality. We’re Reality as expressions of the One projecting Itself into form as seemingly separate people and events.
From here, there is no “good” or “bad” ANYTHING, except on how we choose to interpret the experience.
I’ve personally remembered enough lifetimes and remembered enough of my own traumas in this lifetime to know everything I’ve experienced has been my creation, my choice, as the Self. I didn’t “choose” to be sexually abused, or “tortured” in ritual ceremonies as a child. That’s where I acted out my life themes just like actors play their character according to the script. In the 3D movie we call Life we’re the scriptwriters, the directors, the actors, and so on. It’s a piece of cake for an Infinite Being!
So the whole question of “why do bad things happen to good people” is a moot point. It’s a non-starter right from the get go if you are wiling to be totally accountable for your Life and everything in it. If not, then you’ll could have a rather tough time finding a suitable answer.
First of all… there are only events. And all events are neutral until someone labels them good or bad by filtering them through some limited human
value system. Events labeled at first terrible may later be seen as terrific and vice versa. People are not good or bad people either… they are simply people. So people experience events and make what they will out of them. A
master takes whatever happens to them and transforms it into something that they can build their lives with. It is not what happens to them that counts it is how they perceive the events. There is ultimately nothing but love and
all else is illusion.
Love and wisdom,
John
I agree with John. Also, I just want everyone to be aware that YouTube videos have a limit of 10 minutes, so there was only so much I could get in there.
As I mentioned, this is a complex issue because we’re talking about a lot of unknowns/unseens. And someone made a good point of saying that given the complexity of things, how can we say that this IS “how it works.”
Truth is, we can only say what we can say from the observations we make. Starts with an idea, then we test it, and we make decisions from observations. The point is, even if it turns out that the mechanics of the Law of Attraction are utlimately somewhat different than what we’re all saying, we ARE getting results with the information that we do have.
In other words, I think we’re pretty darned close.
I believe this is how most scientific “Truths” are discovered. We’re still very early in this whole “quantum” conversation. In the meantime, we believe we have learned some key things that we can do that have a real impact on what we attract in our lives.
I can only say that many people, myself included, are seeing tremendous results and changes in the lives of people who understand and implement the Law of Attraction the way that it is being taught – whether or not every single nuance of the behavior of energy is fully understood.
Also, Jim’s comment about this being a moot point is also painfully accurate. People spend way too much time dwelling on this issue, thus guiding their vibration in a way that does not serve anyone. I totally understand WHY people have the question, but since the only real moment is NOW, the time we spend aligning with past events – particularly the ones we choose to define as “bad” – is time that could be spent shaping a more positive experience of our lives Now.
As far as bringing “stuff” from past lives, that’s outside of the realm of how I approach the subject. Definitely tricky to prove that one way or the other, and since our goal is to share this information from at least a place of observational science, I don’t go there. And, as John suggests, it doesn’t matter – it’s what we do with our experience NOW that counts.
As I say in the video, you’ve got what you’ve got – now what are you going to do with that? What choices are you going to make?
thanks for sharing the video.
Bob
Thanks Bob…..I am totally on board with this explanation. Bad things do happen to good people, and that is just “life”. I think we somehow want closure or understanding and try too hard to over analyze the “why”….when as you said…”it just is”.
Very simply put, we can and do attract “bad” things along with the “good”. Sometimes in hindsight we can look back and understand the “how and why”…..sometimes we can’t accept responsibility for choices that come from flaws in our character. No one can get through this life without making big and small mistakes……but we “try” not too. But as we make those mistakes (that attract “bad” things) it’s critical self analysis to accept when we were the “cause and effect” of something bad, or if is was just one of those circumstances of it being “the way it is”.
I have heard this comment “that we come here having agreed to learn something”…..and I personally don’t agree with that. Who do we make that agreement with? When do we decide this? As the Universe and our planetary world has been created and evolved, we did not play a part in that “creation”. It took powers outside of “man’s” capabilities to cause continents to divide, floods and volcanic eruptions to occur, and the plants and animals to flourish and populate this earth. Those things are still happening…..only man is now part of the mix. We still are at the mercy of that “natural” process that just “is”.
Victims of that devastating tsunami in Indonesia did not “cause” that event. They did not collectively invite something so horrific anymore than an infant “decided” to die of abuse by the hand of a “bad” parent. The “bad” parent made a choice to do harm…..and the child was a victim.
It’s important to understand that what we are learning through these “laws” is that we are only effect the things we can control or influence. We cannot control others around us. We are works “in progress”….many of us eager to learn…..but there are just as many choosing to live in ignorance. As we strive for abundance and peace and a life of harmony, we cannot lose sight of the fact that outside of our individual lives, there are challenges that we can make easier or make worse. Some we just cannot effect at all. Thank you Bob, for putting that “it is” factor out there to clear the confusion for people who are feeling guilt, responsibility or frustration for things they blame themselves for attracting.
Bob Doyle: Thanks a lot for all your thoughts (with being fully aware what I’m writing, I do not label, judge or qualify your thoughts).
Born, raised and educated in Europe it deeply touches me, what happens in North America.
One example: How the situation about terrorisms is handled. Lets start with the President of the United States of America: In his speeches as a politician there are few topics dominant: “fighting, battling, bringing the enemy to justice and so on”.
What happens as an outcome? From the level of the President this messages are communicated via medias to most of the citizen in North America and around the world.
The politicians in Europe and other continents help to boost these messages.
The whole planet gets “told”. Result: More people want to fight, battle and are getting scared. Are we able to imagine what kind of magnitude of vibration arises when these thoughts are sending on to the universe? What wave of “environmental pollution” it causes to the universe?
With that way of expressing, dealing, acting and doing, we attract more of that “stuff” in our planet (also explained in “The Secret”). When the terrorists stroked on “9/11” there were both type of people present. How would it be possible to “spare the good ones” and
“punish the bad ones” in a mass of attack like this? I’m assuming neither the universe nor the terrorists make a triage: who should be hit and who not?
According to the scientific research (mentioned in the Secret} as humans we do have approximately 60,000 thoughts a day. How many of those are really conscious and how many unconsciouses?
Here again: Imagine what magnitude of vibration “environmental pollution” to the universe all this unconsciousness by the world population causes?
If we are able to “sharpen” our awareness, monitor our thoughts and being at present, then we start stopping to pollute the universe…Then thoughts like: “This would kill me when this or that would happen to me”, “we are fighting cancer”, “we are ready to battle this or that”, “I can’t here it anymore”, “I feel bad or sad for him or here” and so on would be history.
With accepting of all events in our lives or other humans live, not labeling, judging or qualifying them and living right now in the moment at present, not in the past and not in the future, monitoring our thoughts, we are in a position to love and to grow our wisdom.
I love North America, the other continents and the universe! Blessings!
Thank you, Bob Doyle! This is perhaps the most succinct explanation I have read or heard, since the release of “The Secret”, of the Law of Attraction and how it works. It makes SENSE, and most importantly it does not fill people with guilt for the so-called “bad” things that happen. What I got from this was the indisputable truth that if you change your thoughts (consciously), you change your life.
I know that good and bad is the same , + and- Pluss and minus.Just like the most tings ind our world.ALL TINGS WILL GO TO ,(TRY TO) make the the balance of good and evile,the wordl could not eksist with too much good or too much bad. It will always seek to the cerro point.
What we call evil is not the same as people with an other
background wil call evil.We have to think of the religion,
that we use ind the pedagocial way that we raise our cildren up.It depends of the country and the human laws
that we use.From the first time where there have been peoples, there have been the negativ and the positiv.
If you dont know annyting but good.How do you know what negative is ??It depends of your way to live have lived
Think of these two different tings.
Absolutely spot on!!! I have studied, used, worked with, and poured every ounce of energy I have into “conciously creating my life as I choose”. Didn’t happen.. and we’re not talking dabbling here and there. We’re talking a “fulltime job” plus overtime.. 24/7
Then just recently I noticed something about myself, I can’t explain it except to say that when I saw myself in this huge mirror in front of me what I saw was a body I knew was mine but it looked dull and nearly lifeless…and that scared the stuffing out of me. In that moment I decided I wanted to increase my radiance. I didn’t even know what that meant but it felt right.
Everything I had heard, read and studied for the last 40 years from Napolean Hill to Neville to James Allen and everything in between, all said that if I just thought the right way my life would change for the better. NOT SO!!
Then things began to come together for me, I’ve learned, practiced, used and been exposed to so many different healing modalities that if it were that simple I would have been “walking on water” a long time ago.
Then it came like a flash. Exactly what Bob Doyle was talking about, unconcious resonance.
If we are all energy and the creative forces of the Universe don’t hear what you say, if the predominant means of communication is how you REALLY feel, your vibration. Then we better be raising our frequency, our vibration! And while we can be “in our head” about the many many ways we’ve heard of to conciously raise our frequency, our vibration that it’s all wasted time. I have this image of trying desperately to talk to someone who cannot hear!! Only what raises the vibration of our soul is going to make the difference.
That’s how I see it right now, I’ve always said I feel like a living, breathing science experiment, I’ll let you know where this research takes…..
Jarrah, keep going after the unconscious thoughts. They break the code. They lie where rote learning does not and cannot go. Seek http://www.m3ed.com. It’s the absolute summit. Warning: it’s all mind work yet it still takes physical endurance.